Curse

Venice Queen · May 01, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

I, being a person that only plays 3 hours a week, believe that i should be able to buy the same uber rare weapons as a person who plays 5 hours a day farming ectos non-stop because I dont think i should have to work for anything I want. I dont want to grind.

Oh well, I guess ill go back to my job of selling oranges, where i get paid the same salary as a Brain Surgon. Yay "equality".

/endsarcasm

So you're saying people who pay a large amount of actual money to buy a game and an internet connection who only play casually shouldnt be able to access the same extent of it's features as someone sitting at the computer all day staring at the screen? Guild Wars was made for the casual player (henchmen so you can play an online game solo if you want), don't turn on the people you market your game to Anet; allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months.

big papi · May 01, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by byteme!

If that really happens I'd demand a refund on the game. I bought Guild Wars not Clone Wars.

it already is clone wars imo

Squalus the Ipno · May 01, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

ele monk works nice, got just now an ornate scimitar.....req 11

VanDamselx · May 01, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Venice Queen

So you're saying people who pay a large amount of actual money to buy a game and an internet connection who only play casually shouldnt be able to access the same extent of it's features as someone sitting at the computer all day staring at the screen? Guild Wars was made for the casual player (henchmen so you can play an online game solo if you want), don't turn on the people you market your game to Anet; allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months.

The point is that these weapons offer nothing more than vanity. Yes, this game is designed for the casual player but that doesn't mean that there aren't people that play a few hours a day.

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allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months

I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp: THOSE SKINS WON'T BE RARE ANYMORE!

lucifer_uk · May 01, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon

Unfortunately the two don't add up.

The reason all games should have rare weapons, armours, etc is so people have something to work (grind) for, keeping interest in the game for longer.

Xitoahc · May 01, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

I'm personally sick to death of hearing people talk about how hard they've worked. This is a game, it's entertainment. It's not supporting your family, it isn't improving your future - make as much virtual money as you like, but you're being no more productive than if you spent your time alphabetizing a porn collection.

QFT. I usually don't do much posting on these forums, mostly look around and see what's happening in the community, but all of the drama leads back to this. I for one am very happy with the amount of nice skins dropping now in Hard Mode, my guildie who sought after this skin for months since Nightfall release finally got a req.9 one yesterday. If this are the kind of changes to come with the implementation of Hard Mode and its drop system, then by all means, keep it coming!

lucifer_uk · May 01, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Xitoahc

my guildie who sought after this skin for months since Nightfall release finally got a req.9 one yesterday.

Looking at it the other side:
Now that he or she has got a weapon that would usually require more time and possibly effort to gain, do they feel the same kinda rush they would have felt before at getting a rare rare weapon to drop and also what will they do after all the rare weapons they could hope to get are dropped for them a bit easier in HM and they have nothing left to work for?

Correct Jeans · May 01, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

heh its myfault too lol...... though i doubt anyone would have posted it if I didnt make that thread.... or tell everyone to farm hard mode corsairs b4 Hm was released

but you try to be nice and let normal gamers get glamor items....... and this is what happens X_X

but dead swords are ass ugly..

And I'm with lyra! Ornate Scimitars FTW!!!

so true. I originally posted the spot in my thread on a corsair build and after that spammed it on Shadow's thread FTW.

Here's how I get rare skinned items without months of farming. I just play the game and have fun. In fact its even more fun when u play the game (including the missions) solo. And eventually a rare skinned item will pop up and you will get the same elated feeling without the 3 months of torture. Boring urself with farming is not what games are for people. games are for FUN.

VanDamselx · May 01, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Correct Jeans

so true. I originally posted the spot in my thread on a corsair build and after that spammed it on Shadow's thread FTW.

Here's how I get rare skinned items without months of farming. I just play the game and have fun. In fact its even more fun when u play the game (including the missions) solo. And eventually a rare skinned item will pop up and you will get the same elated feeling without the 3 months of torture. Boring urself with farming is not what games are for people. games are for FUN.

I can totally see where you're coming from. Some people just hate the idea of farming and grind. But there are some of us that actually find it fun

atomskstrife · May 01, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Alot of you are posting that people should be equal in terms of items and equipment...

Isn't that how communism started?

I really didn't think there was anything wrong with the Economy. If there was something I wanted, I either got it my self, or I took different avenues of approach to acquire the money needed for said object.

Besides, why not reward the crazy hardcore players with niffy expensive stuff that they worked for?

Longasc · May 01, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Just relax. GW:EN will offer new skins. They might add some new skins to the game even before. Some will be rare and for sure sell for incredible prices early on.

I agree that there should be some more rare skins for those people who really need a physical evidence of their time spent farming or having been really lucky. Without being too negative, many people still live in the "age of items and levels", despite playing Guild Wars.

I am all in favor of many skins available for everyone. There will always be some ultra rare vanity weapons one can go for, and this is good. But do not cry and wonder when one year later they are so done that not even the merchant wants to buy them.

GW should offer even more customization options. Adding some extras to your weapons and armors, just to make them look a bit more unique. A better dye system.

Ah, to put it bluntly: Add many more skins, tons of skins - so that people can create the char's appearance and equipment how they want it and impress peoples with their creativity and ideas. Not so much by dying even the bags of their inventory and everything else black.

Benster · May 01, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Actually if prices drop too much, everything could become worthless which would also have a negative impact on the economy, hurting poor players even more. Eventually a key will be worth more than the loot to drop from the chests, which will further kill the game.

There are other ways to make money in the game that don't require selling to other players. And if prices drop then you won't need the 50k from a single sale to buy something else from somebody else. Dropping prices doesn't mean you won't be able to buy things like chest keys... It just means you will be able to buy different skins without needing 100k+ectos. The fixed in game economy from merchants and NPCs won't change in relation to your ability to make money in the surrounding world, and Hard Mode increases the degree to which you profit doing that. In 2 nights I made over 30k just playing hard mode.... doesn't sound like much if prices are still really high, but once they drop, 30k is respectable.

Diddy bow · May 01, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Yea it botherd me when dead swords dies, like this a player can EAISILY get anything he wants...

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Originally Posted by big papi

it already is clone wars imo

Primevil warrior armor

SotiCoto · May 01, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Benster

There are other ways to make money in the game that don't require selling to other players. And if prices drop then you won't need the 50k from a single sale to buy something else from somebody else. Dropping prices doesn't mean you won't be able to buy things like chest keys... It just means you will be able to buy different skins without needing 100k+ectos. The fixed in game economy from merchants and NPCs won't change in relation to your ability to make money in the surrounding world, and Hard Mode increases the degree to which you profit doing that. In 2 nights I made over 30k just playing hard mode.... doesn't sound like much if prices are still really high, but once they drop, 30k is respectable.

Weapons will get cheaper.... sure.

Armour won't.
15k Armour still has a base price of 75k overall, not counting the cost of materials. There are no fixed farming points for Runes... nor even dyes.... so those prices will perpetually remain high. Same goes for insignias now for Nightfall armour (though I usually avoid that if I can, especially if I want +energy armour).

And kitting out the extra few folks for my Guild Hall is still going to cost an absolute bomb.... since almost all the ones left over are 100k each....

It isn't pretty.

With the value of gold going up against gear... npc-sold items stay at the same price and slip gradually out of reach.... And to think that is all I ever wanted to buy anyway.

reetkever · May 01, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Lol how naive the people are who want rare items for cheap.

They're not RARE for nothing. If everyone and their mother can get a weapon without having to do anything for it, the rarity will drop, and so will the interest in the weapon, and that makes another weapon tossed aside.

Sure, some might like it for the skin, but I think that 99% would rather want a Colossal Scimitar for the rarity, or for some sort of collection.

Oh, and casual players don't have time to look at their weapon's skin. They got enough quests and missions to do in the little time they got per day, I don't think they would be bothered with special skins.

Today's community is spoiled, what's next, a 'Beat the game' button? Sure, you got the weapon, or beat the game, but you lost the pride. After all, what's the use of gold/purple/blue items at all, if everyone and their mother can get what they want with just a push on the button?

By the way, where are the people telling that farmers RAISE the prices, now? ;D

Onarik Amrak · May 01, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I guess the concept of supply and demand is lost on some people.

Midnight Harmony · May 01, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

No the concept isn't lost, it's just that there is too much elitism. I'm willing to bet 90% of the people who have moaned about this price drop are those who:

1. are ridiculously rich and have lots of nice things

2. spent hundred of thousands on a Colossal Scimitar a while ago

Nobody knew for sure that this was going to happen so look at it from another point of view. When you bought your Colossal say, six months ago, you never knew it would drop really low, so in your mind it was a good deal. It's not like all the skins are cheaper now, just one or two. If anyone bothered to read my previous post, they would notice I stated that some skins should stay very rare, but not all. We do need rare skins for people to work hard for, but that needs to be the factor for obtaining them, not the amount of gold one has in their storage.

Dronte · May 01, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I like it, I dont care about "rarity" of weapons(just a bit

), I just need them coz they look cool ^^

I think some ppl dont like the idea that they cant say anymore:
-check my weapon i'm not noob f**k you!!

lol
I've sold all of my rare weps at about the release of HM

Saphatorael · May 01, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

I guess the concept of supply and demand is lost on some people.

Veblen-effect: people wanting more expensive stuff so they can brag, because.. it's expensive and not everyone can get it.

reetkever · May 01, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael

Veblen-effect: people wanting more expensive stuff so they can brag, because.. it's expensive and not everyone can get it.

Indeed. Reverse this and you get what Guild Wars is heading to.

Everyone can get it-->becomes cheap--> nobody wants stuff--> No more use for gold/purple/blue rarities - everything is simple to get anyway, people playing 5 hours a day don't get ANYTHING more than someone playing 5 hours per week.